On Friday, September 8, Jack Johnson will release听All the Light Above It Too, his first studio album in four years. Predictably, it will soon be at the top of the Billboard charts and iTunes bestseller lists. Predictably, the new songs feature lots of good-vibes acoustic strumming from the man who has composed the modern soundtrack to hanging out at the beach. And yet, in some important ways, this isn鈥檛 the same old Jack Johnson. Though known for his environmental advocacy work and efforts to green the music industry, he has always been uncomfortable talking about either, telling interviewers he didn鈥檛 want to sound preachy. But this time around, we鈥檙e hearing from an artist who seems ready to take a much bolder stand.
黑料吃瓜网 Podcast episodeIn February, Johnson鈥檚 Brushfire label released a documentary film called , which followed a group of scientists, surfers, and freedivers on a sailing expedition between Bermuda and the Bahamas. They collected water samples loaded with tiny plastic bits. Jack was on the ship and played a central character in the film, speaking directly to the camera about the choices we need to make to reduce waste.听
Then, in July, Johnson released a single called that鈥檚 a very obvious anti-Trump song. The video shows him building walls with his kids鈥 blocks, then tearing them down. The song is the fourth track on All the Light Above It Too, but not the only one with a social message. And, as it turns out, this was an album Johnson simply decided to make鈥攈e didn鈥檛 have a record deal pushing him to produce new music. He also did a lot of the instrumentation himself, something he hasn鈥檛 done before. 听
All of which sure makes you think that Johnson has some things he really wants to say. So this summer, when he came through the Bay Area to play a couple shows at the Greek Theater, near where I live, I decided to ask him: What鈥檚 going on? 听
You can hear his full response鈥攑lus a number of the new songs and even Johnson singing a new tune he鈥檚 never recorded for an album鈥攊n the latest episode of the 黑料吃瓜网 Podcast. Here, an edited excerpt from our conversation.
OUTSIDE: Considering your role in The Smog of the Sea and the strong anti-Trump message in My Mind is For Sale, it feels like you鈥檝e changed鈥攖hat something has pushed you to speak up and take a stand on big issues. Am I right?听
JACK JOHNSON: I like the synopsis. I think it鈥檚 good. It鈥檚 interesting doing interviews, because I don鈥檛 do them very much, then I have a new record out and I tend to do a bunch in a row and try to publicize the new album, and it鈥檚 like seeing a psychiatrist. Because all of sudden, people look at these groups of ideas that you put together, and they tell you things. But I appreciate that one. It鈥檚 true. It wasn鈥檛 a conscious choice or anything like that, I just tend to write about what鈥檚 on my mind.听
So that means politics are on your mind, which is the same for most people these days. But what spurred you to write a song that directly took aim at President Trump?
I wanted to have at least a song on the record that started the way I felt about certain things. It just feels like such a divisive time with the idea of 听building walls that separate us. Not even the literal wall that Trump talks about, but the idea that anybody who wants to separate people by race and religion, just the choices we decide to make. It听felt like it would be ridiculous not to make some kind of a statement about it in my music. 听
You鈥檇 said before that you don鈥檛 want to come across as being preachy. What got you past that concern this time? 听
I think it has to do with where I鈥檓 at in my life. It鈥檚 almost too simple to blame it on age, but there comes a time where it鈥檚 our turn. Jacque Cousteau says we protect the things we love, and so I realized it鈥檚听my time to do that work. It鈥檚 always tricky for me. I鈥檝e never wanted to the music to feel like a PSA, so I鈥檝e always avoided that. I do have PSA-type song that I write, but I know they鈥檙e for cafeterias. And then, on the record, I always try to make sure that if it has any kind of environmental theme, it鈥檚 really just reconnecting people and nature. 听
On the new album, you seem to have both songs with subtle messaging, plus others that help help us forget about all the serious stuff.
Yeah, I think this album has both. The first four songs all have social or political commentary. And then, by the time you get to Big Sur鈥擨 wanted to call it that because that鈥檚 a place my family and I go camping a lot鈥攊t鈥檚 like that feeling you get driving off, escaping the first four songs and听hanging out with friends around a campfire. 听
You wrote one of the tracks on the new album, Sunsets for Somebody Else, while on a surf trip with Kelly Slater. How important are those kind of getaways to your music?
We surfed our brains out on that trip. We had really amazing waves. Just the time detaching鈥攚e didn鈥檛 have a crazy studio schedule or anything but you鈥檙e in there day to day. You feel like, I just need to keep working, keep working. And then, the first day I get outside, these songs come all of a sudden. I think more than anything it was a perfect time for a break.听
Looking back over your career, how big a change do you think All the Light Above It Too is from your earlier albums?
My first record was full of songs I never knew would be on a real record. They were just songs I wrote and put on little four-track tapes that I assumed like 30 or 40 of my friends might here. There are some songs I don鈥檛 know I would have written it if I thought people would hear them. But then, I dunno, I still write cheesy songs. I know they鈥檙e cheesy. Maybe cheesy is too strong a word鈥攖hey鈥檙e sappy. I let myself go there, I don鈥檛 mind. It鈥檚 interesting, some people, assume that鈥檚 all I write, whereas people who get into my whole albums know there has been social and political commentary on every one.
Listen to our conversation with Jack Johnson on the 黑料吃瓜网 Podcast.