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Robert Young Pelton in Borneo
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Interview Issue 2012: 窪蹋勛圖厙r Robert Young Pelton on Dangerous Places

Robert Young Pelton has traveled to war zones, been kidnapped by rebels, and tracked pirates in Somalia. Why does he keep going back?

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When Robert Young Peltons was published in 1996, there wasnt anything like it. (One of the oddest and most fascinating travel books to appear in a long time, wrote The New York Times.) Now in its fifth edition, its a swashbuckling field guide to the worlds hot spots, laden with refreshingly frank and entertaining anecdotes from Peltons extensive travels14 wars and 130 countries, by his count.

Currently, when hes not vacationing in Kabul, the author, filmmaker, and sometime military contractor is preparing to launch a magazine called Dangerous, which he says will be kind of like what Soldier of Fortune should have been. Primarily, however, Pelton divides his time between running , a tactical-knife company, and overseeing , a website he founded to cover piracy and conflict. Pelton is also the only person we know whose business card converts to a shiv. The thin piece of metal has perforated edges that break away to create a small bladeand has yet to be confiscated by airport security.

Youre heading back to Somalia tomorrow. What for?
Im going to Eyl, a semifamous pirate town on the coast, to do an urban assessment for Somalia Report. We track the locations of hostages and pirate groups 24/7. We want to create GIS maps, then go back three months later, then six months later, and see if there are changes. People always talk about things getting better or worse, but were trying to put some metrics behind it.

How many times have you been there?
Ive been going since 2008 and have made 20-some trips at this point. Last year I sailed aboard a cargo ship from Sharjah [in the United Arab Emirates] to Bosaso [in northern Somalia]. You can hear the pirate attacks on the radio, the captains jabbering away and the Navy people saying, Were about a day away, well get there. Im trying to get a better idea of whats really going on, so when I talk about it Im not blowing it out my ass.

If pirates attacked your ship, who would you want by your side?
You want someone with a hunting rifle, to take out their engines. The poor pirates have about 500 or 600 miles to get back to shore, and most of them cant swim.

How much has the content of The Worlds Most Dangerous Places changed over the years?
People dont believe me, but there arent wars anymore. When I first wrote the book, you had real wars, with tanks shooting at each other. Now theres more democracy, less dictatorship. The first-edition had 26 countries, and now Im going to have a hard time covering 12 in the next edition.

Whats fallen off?
Most of Eastern Europe. A lot of Africa. Places like Colombia, where FARC [the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] is on the tail end of its life. Even Peru, which can be mildly dangerous but is not involved in a war per se. A lot of these countries that used to be holy-shit, ass-puckering places are now sort of like, Dont go there, Watch out, Dont go out at night.

So the world is becoming a safer place.
[Laughs.] Yeah, its putting me out of business.

But its good for the rest of us.
Of course. When I began doing this, if you wanted to find out what was dangerous, youd look at the State Department travel advisories, which were crap, maybe three lines. There was nothing. Then the Internet came along. Now everybody is an expert on everything. And the other thing is that young people really dont give a shit anymore. Millennials would rather buy a new iPhone and try the latest cocktail. The most exotic thing they do is change their coffee at Starbucks.

A few years ago, you started offering tourist trips to war zones.
A guy from Switzerland and I set up tours to meet rebel groups, the idea being that wed go to both sides. No hotels, no trekking. The plan was to actually walk up to the front line, with people shooting at you. But nobody wanted to go. The only inquiries came from the media.

Were not as adventuresome as a society anymore.
Absolutely. I used to say that adventure was the cheap cologne of the '90s, because everybody would dress like war correspondents. Now its not even cool to talk about exotic places, because its like, Oh, youre going to get kidnapped or killed or blown up. Weve lost the sense of magic that drove the 18th-century explorers.

How did you turn your fascination with danger into a career?
Until I was in my mid-thirties, I worked for creative companies and did product launches. But every year Id take a month off. Id find those white spots on the map and plunk myself down in the middle of Borneo or Africa. Id meet journalists on those expeditions, and I became intrigued by the idea that there were still areas where, if you go there, youd get killed.

Youve spent a lot of time working with military types but dont have a military background yourself. How did you develop such strong relationships with them?
All these Special Forces guys, theyre like, Hey, when I was a kid I read your book. So I have this huge fan base. Unfortunately, its all old men. Plus, youve got to remember, war is a very casual environment for me. So I think they take comfort in the fact that (a) I respect what theyre doing, and (b) I know what Im doing.

Do you ever get wigged out?
It can get scary, but certain types of people can handle it. I call it the fireman complex. If theres a fire in the building, certain people run in and certain people run out. So if youre one of those run-in people, youre cool. But if youre one of those run-around-with-your-hands-in-the-air-screaming people, youre not cool.

Is there any way to tell when someones packing heat?
People have to pull a weapon out to use it, and they dont want you to grab it. So if you meet someone and theyre always keeping a 20-foot buffer, thats a red flagyou should be backing away.

Do you ever carry a gun?
I dont carry weapons, but I carry men who carry weapons. Thats really the key. Its like those Mexican standoff movies. You can pull a gun on me, but if 24 guys pull a gun on you, youre not gonna kill me. Its very cinematic, but thats how it works.

Is there still somewhere youre dying to go?
Ive never made it to Sri Lanka, which is supposed to be really beautiful. Ive always wanted to go to the Comoros, off the coast of Madagascar. The really cool thing is that truly wild places still exist. Places where they call sharks and people dive off cliffs. Like Somalia. I stand on the beach in Somalia, and theres nobody there for 150 miles in either direction.

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